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Post by Aragon on Nov 1, 2004 18:32:20 GMT -5
Just for fun, even though we're discussing Urd here, I was wondering if anyone else has realised that Belldandy is the only goddess with her powers physically sealed? To the best of my observation no other goddess has had a seal on their ear besides her. Yes it is interesting! Of course Skuld wouldn't need one and Rind is a combat goddess who would need to have all her power available, but Urd and Peorth don't seem to have one. Now Peorth is just visiting, but Urd's been sort of a permanent fixture, and despite Bell's earlier statements as to how powerful she is, Urd is unsealed as far as I know. She's never even mentioned a seal on her. Having seen what Urd can do with first class powers, and she's not sealed, what can Belldandy do if unsealed? Interesting, yes?
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Post by VelsperTheCat on Nov 2, 2004 9:43:23 GMT -5
Just for fun, even though we're discussing Urd here, I was wondering if anyone else has realised that Belldandy is the only goddess with her powers physically sealed? To the best of my observation no other goddess has had a seal on their ear besides her. There's nothing that says a seal has to be an earring, though. You can make an argument that Urd has a seal, mainly based off evidence in The Devil in Miss Urd story arc. I'm still undecided on whether she does or doesn't, though. However, I can't believe that Peorth doesn't have a seal similar to Belldandy. Belldandy's seal is mentioned as being there because she's a goddess first class, not because she's a Norn or any other reason. Peorth has never needed to break hers, and the penalty for doing so is severe, so I doubt by-the-book Peorth would even think of such a thing.
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Post by stormturmoil on Nov 2, 2004 13:40:38 GMT -5
*minor Spoilers below*
I think the reason for seals is part of the licence. Belldandy and Peorth have unlimited licences. Belldandy has a seal ( that we know) and Peorth probably has one ( though it is never identified) All this means is, I think, that they can, if they feel it necessary, release all their power. the decision lies with them ( though they will have to justify it later.)
Urd, Skuld and Lind have limited licences. I believe this means that their power is actively monitored and restricted by yggdrasil, allowing them only a percentage of their potential power ( which is why Urd, second class, limited is still reckoned as being as powerful or more so than Belldandy, first class unlimited sealed, by many, including Belldandy herself. Urd is allowed only a fraction of her full power, but such is her true full power that even a fraction of it puts her on a par with 'ordinary' first class goddesses, which shouldn't surprise us, given who her mother is.) Skuld currently cannot direct her power, so doesn't rate more restrictions. Lind is a special case. While she has a limited licence ( and hence restricted powers) she can temporarily bypass this using her last resort boosts. This is probably to make sure that she can access her full power if need be, without lengthy prepartions ( needed to break a seal) while at the same time making her weight the consequences to herself and others before releasing her full power. Outside of battles she doesn't need to constantly hold herself back due to her limited status, which would help prevent stray releases and help prevent her burning herself out at every opportunity ( the presence of multiple boosts suggests that threats can be broken down by whether a boost is needed, and if so how many. Tellingly, Hild and the angel eater only rate one boost, While a demonic Belldandy rates the whole lot, and even then the outcome is in doubt.
thus a part of the limited vs unlimited case lies not in power or precision, but judgement. Peorth and Belldandy are trusted NOT to use their full power unless it is absolutely necessary ( the only time we see it done, in the manga at least, is against the lord of terror, where it is so clearly justified nobody would argue the point.) By contrast, Urd uses high end power at the drop of a hat, which may go some way to explainiing her second class status. ( by volume 29 she may have started to catch on to this herself.) Lind is only given temporary access to this level of power, because ironically, her determination in training has led the higher ups to believe she would likely burn herself out if she had unconditional access to that much power, thus, though her judgement is trusted to an extent, it is believed to be skewed, and so her limited status. This by the way, in case you couldn't tell, is only speculation on my part, but it does seem to fit with what we see in print. Of course, if anyone wants to disagree with me, feel free. this is just my opinion of how the system might work. comments/critiscim are welcome and encouraged.
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Post by Aragon on Nov 3, 2004 8:56:05 GMT -5
Good point!
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Post by keiichichan on Nov 4, 2004 17:58:21 GMT -5
^Thanks for clearing that up storm. i would have to say I agree with this from what we have seen of the goddesses Bell and Peorth have the best judgments of how and when too use their powers,think back to the 4th goddess arc when the other accidently overlapped their spells with Belldandy's. It makes sense that they would be deemed with the descision of whether or not to tap into their full power and Urd and Rind would not.
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Post by Aragon on Nov 4, 2004 20:47:28 GMT -5
This a hypithetical question, but if they were to meet, who would win Urd, or Goku?
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Post by VelsperTheCat on Nov 6, 2004 12:40:17 GMT -5
Tellingly, Hild and the angel eater only rate one boost, While a demonic Belldandy rates the whole lot, and even then the outcome is in doubt.I would like to point out to readers unfamiliar with this chapter that the Hild here was a 1/1000th split, who was wearing at least 2 seals herself. Probably operating at a max of 1/2000th of Hild's actual power. This does show Lind's respect for Belldandy's prowess in battle when she gets riled up.
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Post by VelsperTheCat on Nov 6, 2004 13:06:29 GMT -5
This a hypithetical question, but if they were to meet, who would win Urd, or Goku? The problem with pitting any really powerful character from another series against an AMG god/demon is that there's nothing to stop the AMG character from turning their opponent into a mouse and finishing him/her/it at their leisure (or providing a meal for the nearest cat). Goku starts powering up a kame-hame-ha (no evidence that even a kame-hame-ha could do any real damage to a goddess, but it would certainly distract her), Urd turns him into a lawn ornament, game over. Yggdrasil trumps 99.999% of everything in anime, manga, or any other genre. Even "infintely powerful" things like the Infinity Gauntlet from Marvel comics are toys compared to what Yggdrasil has demonstrated it can do.
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Post by Timotheus on Nov 6, 2004 21:15:54 GMT -5
Not to mention their extra-dimensionality pretty much restricting any 3-dimensional opponent from doing more than giving a demon or goddess the equivalent of a bad sunburn.
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Post by Aragon on Nov 8, 2004 8:57:02 GMT -5
Good point!
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Post by Aragon on Dec 3, 2004 11:35:01 GMT -5
When I asked who would win I ment who would win on their physical strength, and energy blast, and stuff like that, based on that who do you think would win?
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Post by tedne on Dec 5, 2004 20:11:57 GMT -5
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Post by Aragon on Dec 13, 2004 20:09:40 GMT -5
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Post by LinkAran on Apr 19, 2005 17:08:51 GMT -5
but you are too too much in avence to compare has us!! the series did not even leave yet in DVD! nê people do not even know the series safe of the fans! you have really chance you!! for the mangas and Nintendo DS!! personally I have the first 11 episodes.
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Post by Aragon on May 11, 2005 9:35:18 GMT -5
but you are too too much in avence to compare has us!! the series did not even leave yet in DVD! nê people do not even know the series safe of the fans! you have really chance you!! for the mangas and Nintendo DS!! personally I have the first 11 episodes. I got them all!
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