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Post by Jimmy C on Jul 22, 2004 2:14:26 GMT -5
You saw 189 already? Good.
Somehow, I doubt it.
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Post by keiichichan on Jul 22, 2004 3:44:42 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure it was guy,possibly because it looked eerily close to Fujshima's character design of Lloyd, the main character(male) from Tales of Symphonia(recently released for the Gamecube in Japan and the Us now,too!). Fujishima has been known to take character designs he likes that he created for other things (the goddesses' battle outfits looks ALOT like the battle outfits of the girls from the Sakura Wars/Taisen games,which he did character designs for as well. Sometimes he even uses the characters themselves(Rind! ^_^) from the game! Btw did anyone know FUjishima recently won an award for best character designs in anime/manga in Japan? ^_^ Btw, MD mentioned something interesting I thought i might bring up. Urd, from what we know, has only dated the Plum/Cherry tree spirit Troubadour. Do you think her not dating a god could have anything to do with the gods in heaven avoiding her because of her half demon side? Gahhh..Timotheus that last thing you said was too cryptic for my taste! Please explain to those of us that are not enlightened on what you mean 'things involving K1 and Bell that many fans have been wanting to know??'
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Post by Timotheus on Jul 22, 2004 12:09:41 GMT -5
Thanks, I've been looking for male gods in the series, especially young ones the goddesses' ages. He would be the first. (There were older male gods in the early chapters, but they've sorta dissappeared recently.)
Well, he certainly deserves one!
While we can't be certain, her heritage would most definitely have been a factor in any of Urd's personnal relationships.
But if it wasn't cryptic you'd all laugh at me if I was wrong. This way I'm covered no matter what happens!
(Okay, hint.... It involves Belldandy's rather puzzled question to Keiichi, "...is this happiness (for you)?"
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Post by keiichichan on Jul 23, 2004 0:37:08 GMT -5
Yes, actually I thought you were alluding to Bell and K1 getting rather 'intimate' very soon,but since that would change the whole tone of the series I doubt it will happen, unless Fujishima is planning to end it very soon. Or just take it in some very different directions now,well with the current story you could say that. Still I doubt it, could be wrong though..
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Post by AstroNerdBoy on Jul 23, 2004 3:18:38 GMT -5
Thanks, I've been looking for male gods in the series, especially young ones the goddesses' ages. He would be the first. (There were older male gods in the early chapters, but they've sorta dissappeared recently.) There were? Aside from "spirits" (using the DH translation so I don't know how accurate that term is), what male gods were there?
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Post by Timotheus on Jul 23, 2004 11:49:08 GMT -5
I agree they probably won't "get" intimate, but I think they may clarify their feelings about it. Belldandy is not as naive or innocent as people say, but she is very prone to being unaware of sub-context.
As goddess of the present she is focused on "now." While aware of the past and considering the future, she tends to think and respond to things on a "as she encounters them" manner. It sort of gives her that childlike wonder at the world that makes her so endearing..
So while she's been aware of all the aspects of intimacy, and is not adverse to them, other than that one time that Peorth forced the question she hasn't really had to confront if Keiichi wants her that way and if she wants him back. (Back then the conclusion was she wanted to give K-1 "everything he wanted" but it was too soon and she (or the situation) wasn't ready.)
Now that the idea of Keiichi wanting her affection in a more physical way has been pointed out to her again, she's going to have to deal with it.
So between that and the situation at the end of chapter 189 I think we're going to see some movement on that question.
Besides Kami-sama, there have been three male gods, I think. But I can only come up with the healer god from when Urd arrived and the Celestin prototype that was taking Bell-chan to meet Velsper. If I remember the third I'll post it.
The one I'm talking about in 189 is the kid in the stiff necked jacket. The other 6-7 candidates in the testing room all have varients of the formal goddess collar around their shoulders, this one only has a jacket. And "he" looks a little masculine to me.
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Post by stormturmoil on Jul 23, 2004 18:45:22 GMT -5
the other male god is the junior god Troubadour makes explode with bugs 'cause he was hitting on Urd.
Question: Is Urd being tested for a first class limited or unlimited license? do we know?
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Post by Timotheus on Jul 23, 2004 19:09:03 GMT -5
Unknown, as yet.
I'm betting limited. I don't think heaven's quite that ready to let Urd have an unlimited range of actions.
Thanks, I knew there was a third one.
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Post by AstroNerdBoy on Jul 23, 2004 23:36:03 GMT -5
I agree they probably won't "get" intimate, but I think they may clarify their feelings about it. Belldandy is not as naive or innocent as people say, but she is very prone to being unaware of sub-context. Well, this is a shounen series, so the relationship won't progress beyond where it is now. That's sad, but oh well. I'll try to get my articles on the subject finished soon. I thought that was Kami-sama taking Bell-chan to meet Velsper. Then again, I haven't read the original Japanese.
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Post by keiichichan on Jul 24, 2004 22:55:46 GMT -5
Kimagure Orange road,Maison Ikouku, and Love Hina are too and they have romantic progression. IMHO A!MG has had plenty of progression in the K1/Bell relationship it's just been very subtle most of the time,just like every other relationship in the series!
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Post by AstroNerdBoy on Jul 25, 2004 2:51:04 GMT -5
They made progress in the first dozen chapters or so. However, when was the last time Bell and K1 kissed? It has been years. Well, I'm building my motivation to get my set of articles finished for Les to post. ;D
I know MI and LH, so I'll use those. In LH, Naru and Keitaro start off bad. She's just the violent girl and he's the clumsy idiot. Eventually they come to an understanding of sorts but what really started them on their relationship path was their trip to get away from everything when their glasses were both busted and they didn't know each other (how they didn't recognize each others voices is the mystery of the ages, but hey, it's manga so we'll go with it).
After that, Keitaro was head over heels for Naru, and she began having feelings for him though she really didn't want to. However, as the manga progressed, the two of them may have had setbacks, but one could see progress. Keitaro wanted to improve himself for Naru and Naru had to overcome her own fears in order to love Keitaro. It took a LONG time, but one can watch the progress.
Ditto MI. Godai falls in love with Kyouko immediately after seeing her. Heck, he even confesses his love to her and takes her to his room early on where she is going to sleep with him...until he passes out. After that, it is a painful journey watching the two of them come together. We do see Godai deal with his troubles as he gets through college, all for love of Kyouko. We see Godai do dumb things like continue to date Kouzue even though he really doesn't want to.
Of course MI does what Takahashi-sensei loves -- create an incredibly complex love web. With MI, it got annoying in that everytime you thought the couple would make a bit of progress, a new complication would get thrown in and the relationship would seem to go back to square one. It took the removal of all of these extranious bits before Godai and Kyouko could make progress. The last manga volume totally rocks because the couple do make progress (though Takahashi-sensei can't resist throwing a couple more dopey obsticals in the couple's path).
With AMG, after a certain point, Fujishima-sensei decided to go for the shounen romance and abandon the deeper romance that the series started out with. For him, I believe he enjoys writing and drawing racing stories more than anything and he may feel that allowing K1 and Bell to be a real couple would be the end of the series.
That's sort of how YUA ended (manga-wise at least). However in the anime, Miyuki and Ken's romance was more interesting the K1's and Bell's only in that Miyuki and Ken would actually go out on dates. K1 and Bell last went on a date...um...well, I can't think that far back.
That said, I still love AMG and I can't wait to see if Fujishima-sensei allows Urd to actually become a goddess 1st class.
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Post by keiichichan on Jul 27, 2004 4:20:03 GMT -5
WOw good post. I do see what you mean and I agree with this statement. I always felt A!MG wasn't a typical romance because it kind of put the romance side on the back burner for a loooong time, which is why it' hard to classify it as a romantic comedy anymore. I like race scenes and if the story became a sweeping romance between Bell and K1 I do think it would end the entire series! A!MG ,for me atleast, is so interesting because it is not simply about K1 and Bell's relationship,that is only the driving force behind everything else that goes on,but it's not the main focus of the stories. This writing style allows Fujishima=-sensei to write just about any type of story he wants every month(and yes many are racing ones! ) but that's one of the reasons I like this series so much! I never know what I'm going to get! If it focused on the progression of their relationship I would always see the theme of the story coming. I did however like that Bell and K1 slowly fell in love over time in the older manga instead of the generic,Hello Ms.Goddess, I think I love you, kind of way it was done in the OAV version.
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Post by PerentieFan on Jul 28, 2004 14:46:15 GMT -5
As to the last question, I won't say much to avoid spoiling it. Let's just say Urd's attempts have more of an opposite effect than she intends. As usual. But I love spoilers! Can you at least tell me where I can go for details? a sweeping romance between Bell and K1 I do think it would end the entire series! A!MG ,for me atleast, is so interesting because it is not simply about K1 and Bell's relationship,that is only the driving force behind everything else that goes on,but it's not the main focus of the stories. I don't think progressing their relationship would mean sacrificing the diversity of the manga. I for one would like to see some major growth and its not as though major changes haven't occured in the manga before. Getting Bell and K1 closer would force all the characters to change and mature for the better and would add multiple new elements to the manga. Plus it's no secret that the majority of English fans at least (and judging from Japanese fanart I've seen a fair number of Japanese want the same) want to see Belldandy and Keiichi's relationship progress. ^_^ I don't understand why people think this. Five months past by between the first and second OAV in their timeline, ample time for them to fall in love. In the first OAV Bell's affection can be explained by how much she knew Keiichi beforehand and all the years she had waited to reunite with him, while Keiichi's feelings in the first OAV were mostly teenage hormones growing into a fascination with this incredible woman, accompanied by his general good nature toward all people. They made progress in the first dozen chapters or so. However, when was the last time Bell and K1 kissed? It has been years. Well, I'm building my motivation to get my set of articles finished for Les to post. ;D Really? You must have missed Belldandy kissing Keiichi back when he was possessed by Tsukai (the scene with the mattress wrapped around him). It is done off screen (we just see Keiichi's toes) but it's clear that it happens judging by how Keiichi reacts. Really, my impression has been that the two have been very slowly growing closer physically over recent years. They touch more, hug more, share more etc. though it is still usually initiated by Belldandy. If he does then he is amazingly good at romance, as the bond he has developed between keiichi and Belldandy is one of the deepest and best I've ever seen in any story. Really though, I don't see how it is safe to say that he will never progress their relationship to any large extent, especially the idea he won't have it happen even when the series ends. Depends on what you mean by a "date." They've had a fair number of quiet evenings together even if they weren't official dates. (Okay, hint.... It involves Belldandy's rather puzzled question to Keiichi, "...is this happiness (for you)?" Now THIS is a welcome event. I am actually more bothered by the lack of them talking about it than the lack of it happening. And really they never have specifically talked about physical desires with each other. While I'm quite certain the resolution will be Keiichi reaffirming to Belldandy that he is willing to wait forever and the most important thing to him is that she love him (or words to that effect), I do hope they do actually still talk about it and thereby clarify some stuff for themselves and for fans alike. So did the chapter end after that question? Did something interrupt? What was the situation? I heard that Urd tested Keiichi's reaction by lifting up Bell's shirt, was it in that scene?
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Post by Timotheus on Jul 28, 2004 16:58:35 GMT -5
Let's see, they work all day together, commute together, spend their evenings at home together, go to class (single) together, how much more together time could they fit in? I think there has been a slow but steady growth in their relationship, but it only becomes apparent a random points in the manga. You unfortunately have to do a lot of reading between the lines. Admittedly their relationship's growth has been slow over the last few years of the manga, but in story time its barely been three-four months since the point where Dark Horse is publishing right now (The New Chief arc)
(Check the University Career Timeline)
A point to consider is that the entire storyline from the Hild arc to this current one has been rather tightly interconnected. The events of each one have been the precursers to what happens in the next one, and we're talking a few years of manga time. He's got some sort of long term plan in the works.
Also, it's probable that Mr. Fujishima operates on the standard Japanese manga production system. That means he doesn't hand draw everything himself. He lays out story lines, storyboards, and sketches the key scenes and panels, then looks over his assistants' shoulders and approves or changes what they've done.
That's why the people in the crowd scenes are sometimes drawn different than the characters. He sketched the main poses and his assitants filled in the rest. Although he still probably tells them what he wants.
I also think Mr. Fujishima has, as was suggested, been concentrating on other stories and activities, both inside OMG and outside it for awhile. The new TV anime may mean he's getting ready to make some moves with it now. At least that's my interpretation of chapter 189.
If you can't download chapter 189, let me know and I'll post you a synopsis of Urd's activities as a private message.
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Post by PerentieFan on Jul 30, 2004 0:56:54 GMT -5
If you can't download chapter 189, let me know and I'll post you a synopsis of Urd's activities as a private message. I would appreciate that, as I know not where to go to download manga chapters, don't know how to, don't know if I have the right prgrams, Internet connection speed etc. Although what I especially want most is more details of that scene with Belldandy and Keiichi spoken of earlier. However, I'll be gone on a vacation for the next few days, so I may be unable to right back a thank you for a while. So anyway, thanks in advance!
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